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Long-term growth: E8 Market Futures vs TradeDay

Comparing E8 Market Futures and TradeDay requires looking beyond the initial purchase. While both focus on the futures market, their paths for a trader diverge significantly as the months pass, moving from simulation-based environments to potential live funding and contract scaling.

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Day one

The entry point for both firms represents a choice between a one-time investment and a subscription model. E8 Market Futures operates on a one-time fee basis (e.g., $260 for a $100K Signature account), whereas TradeDay utilizes a monthly subscription model (e.g., $149/month for a $100K Fast Pass).

Platform availability is a major differentiator on the first day. E8 is strictly limited to Tradovate. TradeDay offers a much broader ecosystem, including NinjaTrader, TradingView, Tradovate, Jigsaw, and Quantower. This choice dictates your technical setup from the start.

Regarding trading style, the restrictions are clear:

  • E8 Market Futures prohibits semi-automated or fully automated trading (EAs/Bots) and high-frequency trading (above 300 trades/day).
  • TradeDay allows EAs on supported platforms, provided they are not purchased from third parties and do not exceed 200 trades per day.

Risk rules on day one involve the "Drawdown" calculation. Both firms offer End of Day (EOD) models that lock at the initial balance once enough profit is made. However, TradeDay also offers an Intraday Trailing Maximum Drawdown option for those who prefer real-time risk tracking.

The first months

As you move into the funded phase, the payout structures and consistency rules become the primary focus.

E8 Market Futures offers two distinct paths:

  • Signature: Payouts are on-demand once requirements are met, but after the first payout, you must maintain 5 profitable days (at least 0.3% profit each) between requests.
  • Zero: Offers daily payouts with a $100 minimum.

TradeDay's Quick Pay allows for day-one payouts without a buffer, but the profit split is only 50% for the trader until $4,000 in gross profit is reached (then it jumps to 80%). Fast Pass requires 5 profitable days per payout request.

Consistency rules will test your discipline:

  • E8 Signature Performance: Has a 35% Best Day rule; if one day accounts for more than 35% of your total profit, you cannot yet request a payout.
  • TradeDay Fast Pass: Requires 45% consistency in the Funded Sim phase.

El primer año

The first year is where the scaling programs define the ceiling of your career. E8 Market Futures has a very limited scaling structure. Only the "Zero" accounts scale contract limits: the first level unlocks at 1.5% locked profit, and the second at 3%. The Signature accounts do not scale contract sizes at all.

TradeDay offers a more robust growth path through its transition from "Funded Sim" to "Funded Live." In the Fast Pass Sim, the account scales dynamically: you start with a base number of contracts and add one additional contract for every $2,000 of EOD profit earned.

Requirements for scaling in TradeDay:

  • Fast Pass Sim: Starts at 2/3/4 contracts (50K/100K/150K).
  • Growth: +1 contract per $2,000 profit.
  • Transition: Move to Funded Live to access a 90% profit split.

The ceiling

The ultimate "ceiling" is defined by the maximum allocation and the terminal nature of the accounts.

E8 Market Futures has a hard limit on account longevity. Both Signature and Zero accounts allow a maximum of 5 payouts. After the fifth payout, the account is closed, and the trader is issued a free Challenge of the same size to start over. The maximum allocation is 5 active Performance accounts for Signature and 3 for Zero.

TradeDay provides a higher ceiling through its "Funded Live" access. Traders can hold up to 5 active Funded Live accounts simultaneously. Because these are live accounts, there is no arbitrary "5-payout" limit. Furthermore, the profit split improves to 90% for the trader in the Live phase, whereas E8 remains at 80% (unless you paid for the 100% add-on at the very beginning for Zero accounts).

Room to grow

E8 Market Futures is designed for traders who prefer a "rinse and repeat" model. You hit your payout limits, close the account, and start a new challenge for free. It is a stable, simulation-heavy environment with a fixed profit split.

TradeDay is built for the professional transition. It starts with higher consistency requirements and a subscription cost, but it rewards longevity with a 90% profit split and a systematic path to live market trading. If your goal is to manage multiple live accounts with a scaling contract count based on realized profit, TradeDay offers the higher technical and financial ceiling.

Field by field

E8 Markets Futures and TradeDay, side by side

Rules, plans, platforms, leverage, commissions and payouts of both, with the option to see only what differs.

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Headquarters

100 Crescent Ct, Unit 700, Dallas, Texas 75201, US

2nd Floor, 412 S. Wells, Chicago, Illinois 60607, United States

CEO

Dylan Elchami

James Thorpe

Country

United States

United States

Foundation

2021

2020

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Assets
Futures
Futures
Brokers
No data
Tradovate, Rithmic
Payout Fee

E8 charges no payout fee. WorkMarket or Rise may charge a processing fee depending on the selected withdrawal method.

  • US Wire Transfer: Free
  • International Wire Transfer: $15/withdrawal
  • Crypto L1: $2.5/withdrawal + estimated gas fees
  • Crypto L2: Free
Platforms
Tradovate
Tradovate, NinjaTrader, Tradingview, Jigsaw, Quantower, Rithmic
Payout Methods
Transfer, Crypto, Rise
Transfer, Crypto
Live Account
No

Challenge and SimFi Performance accounts are simulated. Futures market data is sourced from CME.

Yes

Funded Live Access
Up to 5 active Funded Live accounts per trader.
90% profit split on Funded Live.
Clear position scaling rules and structured account transition.

No Activation Fee
TradeDay 2.0 removes the activation fee that existed in the previous model.

Payment Methods
Card, Crypto
Card, PayPal
Payout Frequency
  • Signature Futures: on demand once all payout requirements are met.
  • Zero Starter and Zero Max: daily, minimum $100.

Day-one payouts on Quick Pay (no buffer). Requests submitted before 17:30 CT processed within 24 hours on business days. No frequency limit.

Maximum Withdrawal

E8 Signature Futures

Payout $25K $50K $100K $150K
1st–2nd $1,000 $1,250 $2,250 $3,250
3rd–4th $1,250 $2,250 $3,250 $4,250
5th $1,500 $3,250 $4,250 $5,250

E8 Zero Starter

  • $50K: $1,000
  • $100K: $1,600
  • $200K: $2,100

E8 Zero Max

  • $50K: $3,000
  • $100K: $5,000
  • $200K: $7,000

Signature Futures and Zero allow a maximum of 5 payouts per account; after the fifth, the account closes and a free Challenge of the same size is issued.

Fast Pass Funded Sim maximum per request: $1,500 (50K), $1,875 (100K), $2,250 (150K).

Minimum Withdrawal

$100

$250 minimum per payout request.

Other Payout Requirements

Payouts require successful onboarding and KYC with WorkMarket or Rise. If neither provider accepts the trader, E8 cannot process the payout.

No data
Account Reset

After an account fails, a 10% discount is available for 7 days to retry the same account size and settings.

Available on current plans. See challenges for reset price.

Add-ons
Yes

Zero Starter and Zero Max allow the payout share to be increased from the 80% base configuration to 100% at checkout.

No
Instant
No
No
One Step
Yes
Yes
Account scaling
No
No
Max Drawdown

EOD Dynamic Drawdown based on the highest end-of-day balance. Intraday equity does not move it. It locks permanently at the initial balance level.

Two drawdown types available, both Trailing Maximum Drawdown:

Intraday TMD
Calculated in real time from unrealized profits during the session.

End of Day TMD
Calculated from realized profits at end of day (16:00 CT close). Follows account growth until frozen at the initial balance.

Funded Sim drawdown type matches the evaluation type purchased.

Profit Split
  • Signature Futures: 80%.
  • Zero Starter/Max: 80% base; 100% can be selected at checkout.

Quick Pay Funded Sim

  • 80% trader / 20% TradeDay above $4,000 gross profit
  • 50% trader / 50% TradeDay below $4,000 gross profit
  • Split evaluated per account

Fast Pass Funded Sim

  • 80% trader / 20% TradeDay

Funded Live

  • 90% trader / 10% TradeDay
Free Trial
No
No
Daily Drawdown
  • Signature Challenge: none.
  • Signature Performance: 2% Daily Pause (soft breach; trading resumes the next day).
  • Zero Challenge and Performance: none.
No data
Max Allocation
  • Challenge stage: unlimited accounts.
  • Signature Futures: up to 5 active Performance accounts.
  • Zero Starter/Max: up to 3 active Performance accounts. Limits apply per household.

Up to 10 Evaluation accounts and 5 Funded Sim accounts simultaneously per trader. Up to 5 active Funded Live accounts per trader. Multiple Funded Sim accounts allowed. Single-member US LLC allowed. Multi-member LLC, S-corps and C-corps not allowed.

Mandatory buffer
Limited

Signature requires leaving a non-withdrawable buffer equal to the EOD Dynamic Drawdown before payouts. On Zero, any profit left after a payout remains as buffer and cannot be requested in a later cycle.

No
Merge Accounts
No
No
Maximum Trading Days

Unlimited, but the account closes after 7 days of inactivity.

Unlimited

Minimum Trading Days
  • Signature Futures: can pass in 1 day.
  • Zero Starter/Max: earliest pass in 3 days because of the 40% Best Day rule.
  • Quick Pay: 5 trading days minimum (non-consecutive).
  • Fast Pass: no minimum trading days.
Funded Phase Pricing Model

No activation fee or recurring subscription.

No activation fee on TradeDay 2.0.

Minimum Profitable Days
  • Signature: 5 profitable days between payouts after the first payout; a profitable day requires at least 0.3% realized profit.
  • Zero Starter/Max: no minimum profitable days in Performance.

Fast Pass Funded Sim: 5 profitable days per payout; $150/$200/$250 minimum daily profit on 50K/100K/150K.

Position size scaling
Limited

Only Zero Performance accounts scale contract allowance. At 1.5% locked profit the first level unlocks the next day; at 3% the second level unlocks. Signature and Zero Challenge contract limits do not scale.

Yes

Fast Pass Funded Sim starts at 2/3/4 contracts for 50K/100K/150K, then adds one contract per $2,000 of EOD profit. Quick Pay limits are fixed by account size.

Evaluation Phase Pricing Model

One-time fee. No subscription.

Monthly subscription. See challenges for current list prices and promotions for active discounts.

Expert Advisor (EA)
No

Semi-automated and fully automated trading, including bots, AI tools and HFT above 300 trades per day, is prohibited on Futures.

Yes

Allowed if using supported platforms: NinjaTrader, Tradovate, Tradingview, Jigsaw, Quantower. TradeDay does NOT expose Tradovate API. Own systems allowed (NOT purchased from third parties). If multiple users make same trades: All accounts closed.

VPN
No data
No
Hedging
No

Futures accounts use a netting system. Hedging across multiple accounts or users is prohibited.

No
Requires Stop Loss
No data
No
Scalping
Limited

At least 50% of total profit must come from trades held for 10 seconds or longer.

Yes

Scalping allowed EXCEPT: High-frequency ATS, >200 trades per day, trades in few seconds for 1-2 ticks, playing with sim matching engine.

Stacking / Layering (DCA)
No data
Yes
Martingale
No data
No
Maximum Risk Limit
Limited

There is no fixed percentage risk cap, but irresponsible, all-or-nothing or disproportionate risk-taking can trigger review or account termination.

No data
Copy Trading
Limited

Allowed only between accounts owned by the same trader. Team trading, signals and copying another trader are prohibited.

Yes

Allowed from a trader's own account into their TradeDay account, and between two of the trader's own TradeDay Funded Sim accounts. NOT allowed between Funded Live and Funded Sim, and NOT allowed between two different users. Compatible third-party tools: Tradesyncer (TDTC), Flowbots (tradeday), Expert Trading Programmers (TradeDay25OFF).

News Trading
Yes
No
Inactivity Rule
Yes

The account closes after 7 days without opening and closing at least one trade.

TradeDay does not charge inactivity fees. However, Tradovate archives the account after 1 month without login.

Consistency Rule
Limited
  • Zero Challenge: 40% Best Day rule; if the best day exceeds 40% of total profit, the effective target increases.
  • Zero Performance: no consistency rule.
  • Signature Challenge: no consistency rule.
  • Signature Performance: 35% Best Day rule for payout eligibility.
Yes

Quick Pay: 30% consistency in evaluation. Fast Pass: 45% consistency in evaluation and Funded Sim. Funded Live has no consistency rule.

Hold Weekend
No
No
Prohibited Strategies
  • Exploiting gaps, illiquid markets, pricing errors or slow data feeds
  • Semi-automated or fully automated trading, bots, AI tools and HFT above 300 trades/day
  • Trading within 2% of a CME product lock limit
  • Irresponsible or all-or-nothing trading
  • Hedging across accounts or users
  • Tick scalping where less than 50% of profit comes from trades held at least 10 seconds
  • Trading anything other than the front-month contract
  • Account rolling and strategies that are not reproducible in real markets
  • Using bots/ATS purchased from third parties
  • Systems generating >200 trades in a day
  • Strategies trading in few seconds to capture only a few ticks
  • Attempting to capture queue position advantage by playing with sim engine
  • Spoofing and layering (per CME Group rules)
  • Order splitting (multiple limit orders at same price simultaneously)
  • Trading in illiquid markets to benefit from missed fills
  • Exploiting lack of slippage in simulation (e.g., bracket orders in data releases)
  • Trading outside best bid/offer
  • Using external or slow data feed
  • High-frequency trading or short-term trading
  • Simultaneous opposite positions between accounts
  • Multiple registrations with different names/emails
  • Using VPN or VPS to mask location
  • Hedging: Prohibited (trading long in one account and short in another for same product)
  • Trading within 2% of price limit (Funded Live only, loss of account)
  • Microscalping (positions held <5-10 seconds dominating profit)
  • Trading Tier 1 news/data releases (2 min before/after, auto-liquidation)
Overnight positions
No

All positions are forcibly closed every trading day at 15:10 CT. Trading is permitted from 17:00 to 15:10 CT.

Yes
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