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Which is better for your first challenge: FTMO Futures or The5ers Futures?

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What you are signing up for

An evaluation is a skills test where you trade with simulated capital to prove you can hit a profit target—a specific amount of money you must earn to pass—without breaking risk rules.

FTMO Futures uses a monthly subscription model. For a $50,000 account, you pay $119 every month until you pass or cancel. If you fail, you can buy a "reset" (starting over for a fee) or wait for your next billing cycle for a fresh start.

The5ers Futures uses a one-time fee model. For their smallest $25,000 account, you pay $59 once. There is no recurring monthly cost, which is often less stressful for someone just starting out. Neither firm currently offers a free trial, so your first attempt will require an upfront investment.

How hard each one is

The main difficulty lies in the drawdown, which is the maximum amount your account balance is allowed to drop before you are disqualified. Both firms use a "trailing" drawdown calculated at the end of the day. This means the loss limit moves upward as your account balance reaches new highs at the market close, but it never moves back down if you lose money.

  • FTMO Futures: Offers two paths. The "Growth" plan has no daily loss limit during the test, giving you more breathing room. The "Pro" plan is stricter, with a daily drawdown—a limit on how much you can lose in a single day—of $1,000 to $2,000 depending on account size.
  • The5ers Futures: Uses a flat 4% trailing drawdown. It is simple to understand but requires disciplined risk management because the margin for error is relatively tight.

How long it takes

Both firms offer "one-step" evaluations, meaning you only need to pass one testing phase to qualify for a funded account.

There are no maximum time limits to pass either challenge. As long as you pay your monthly fee at FTMO or place at least one trade every 14 days at The5ers, you can take as long as you need. Regarding minimum days, The5ers allows you to pass in a single day if you hit the target. FTMO does not have a fixed number of days, but their consistency rules usually require you to trade for several days to prove your results weren't just a lucky break.

Where beginners fail

Most beginners fail because of consistency rules, which are designed to ensure your success comes from a repeatable strategy rather than one massive, lucky trade.

  • FTMO Consistency: Your best trading day cannot account for more than 40% (Growth) or 50% (Pro) of your total profit. If you make $3,000 in one day but your target is $6,000, you will have to keep trading until that big day represents a smaller portion of your total gains.
  • The5ers Consistency: They use a "per-position" rule. No single trade can represent more than 40% of your total profit. This forces you to spread your risk across many different entries.

Another hurdle is "overnight" trading. Neither firm allows you to hold positions open when the market closes for the day (with minor exceptions for specific "Swing" accounts at The5ers), which can be frustrating if you are used to long-term investing.

What happens if you make it

Once you pass, you become a "funded" trader. You stop paying fees and start receiving a profit split, which is the percentage of the gains you get to keep.

FTMO offers a very high 90% profit split. However, they limit how much you can withdraw at once. For a $50,000 "Pro" account, you can only take out $5,000 per payout cycle. The5ers offers an 80% split and also uses withdrawal caps during the early stages to protect their capital.

FTMO provides more platform choices, including TradingView and NinjaTrader. The5ers requires you to use BlackArrow, which may have a steeper learning curve for a beginner.

If it is your first time

For a total beginner, The5ers Futures is generally the safer recommendation. The one-time fee removes the "ticking clock" pressure of a monthly subscription, allowing you to learn at your own pace without worrying about the next $119 charge.

However, if you are already comfortable with popular platforms like TradingView, FTMO Futures might be worth the subscription cost simply for the superior technology and the higher 90% profit share once you succeed.

Frequently asked questions

Which firm is cheaper for a first attempt, FTMO Futures or The5ers Futures?

The5ers Futures is significantly cheaper for a first attempt because it uses a one-time fee starting at $59 for a $25,000 account. FTMO Futures requires a monthly subscription that starts at $119 for a $50,000 account, meaning you will have to pay that amount every month until you pass the evaluation.

Who gives a better profit share, FTMO Futures or The5ers Futures?

FTMO Futures offers a higher profit split, allowing traders to keep 90% of the gains they generate. The5ers Futures offers an 80% profit split across all its funded account sizes.

Which firm has more platform options for beginners, FTMO Futures or The5ers Futures?

FTMO Futures offers much more flexibility with support for NinjaTrader, Tradovate, and TradingView. The5ers Futures currently limits its traders to a single platform, BlackArrow, which is less common in the industry and may require more time for a beginner to learn.

Which firm has stricter rules for automated trading (EAs), FTMO Futures or The5ers Futures?

FTMO Futures is more lenient toward automation, allowing the use of Expert Advisors (EAs) and algorithmic trading as long as they are not used for prohibited strategies like high-frequency trading. The5ers Futures strictly prohibits all forms of algorithmic and automated trading.

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Commodities, Indices, Crypto, Forex
Indices, Currencies, Metals, Agriculture, Energies
Brokers
Tradovate
No data
Platforms
NinjaTrader, Tradovate, Tradingview
BlackArrow
Payout Methods
Wise, Revolut, Visa Direct, Mastercard Send
Rise, Crypto, Transfer
Live Account
Limited

A small group of consistently profitable traders may be invited to a Live Funded Account at FTMO's discretion. It cannot be requested and additional country restrictions apply.

No

The5ers states that all activity is conducted in a simulated trading environment.

Payment Methods
Card, ApplePay, GooglePay, PayPal, Revolut, Skrill, Crypto, Transfer
Card, PayPal, Crypto
Payout Frequency

On demand once the qualifying-day requirements for the current payout cycle are met.

First payout after 14 days; subsequent payouts every 14 days after the last approved withdrawal.

Maximum Withdrawal

Growth — per payout

  • $50K: up to 50% of available profit, capped at $2,500
  • $100K: up to 50% of available profit, capped at $3,000
  • $150K: up to 50% of available profit, capped at $4,000

Pro — per payout

  • $50K: up to 100% of available profit, capped at $5,000
  • $100K: up to 100% of available profit, capped at $6,000
  • $150K: up to 100% of available profit, capped at $8,000

25K: $1,250. 50K: payouts 1–4 are capped at $1,500 / $2,000 / $2,500 / $3,000; later payouts remain capped at $3,000. 100K and 150K: 3% of the current balance.

Minimum Withdrawal

$20

A payout can be requested after reaching at least 4% profit over the initial account balance.

Other Payout Requirements

At least 50% of every requested payout must come from new profit generated during the current payout cycle. US clients must submit Form W-9 and proof of ownership of an eligible US bank account before their first payout.

The funded account must be at least 14 days old and have reached at least 4% profit. The 14-day cycle restarts after scaling.

Payout Fee
No data

3.5% for Rise, cryptocurrencies and bank transfers. No fee when the payout is converted into Hub Credits.

Payout Guarantee
No data

Approved withdrawals are normally processed within 3 business days.

Commission
No data

Standard futures: $5 per side. Micro futures: $2.50 per side.

Account Reset

Evaluation accounts can be reset to their original conditions without changing the monthly billing date. There is no limit on purchased resets.

No data
Add-ons
No
No data
Instant
No
No
One Step
Yes
Yes
Account scaling
No
Yes

At every approved 10% profit milestone, buying power increases by 5%, up to $500,000.

Max Drawdown

End-of-day trailing drawdown based on the highest closing balance. It can only move upward and locks permanently once it reaches the initial account balance.

4% EOD trailing drawdown, calculated from the highest midnight balance or equity. After a payout, it resets to 4% below the new balance.

Profit Split

90%

80% for the trader across all funded accounts.

Free Trial
No
No data
Daily Drawdown
  • Growth Evaluation: none
  • Growth Sim-Funded: soft limit of $1,000 / $2,000 / $3,000 on 50K / 100K / 150K; positions close and trading pauses until the next day
  • Pro Evaluation and Sim-Funded: hard limit of $1,000 / $1,500 / $2,000 on 50K / 100K / 150K; breach terminates the account
No data
Max Allocation
450,000
500,000
Mandatory buffer
Limited

Growth allows withdrawing up to 50% of available profit per cycle, leaving the remainder in the account. Pro allows up to 100%, subject to its payout cap.

No
Maximum Accounts

Unlimited concurrent Evaluations. Maximum 3 concurrent Sim-Funded Accounts across Growth and Pro.

No data
Merge Accounts
No
No data
Maximum Trading Days

Unlimited while the monthly subscription remains active.

No time limit. At least one trade must be placed every 14 days.

Minimum Trading Days

No fixed minimum. The Evaluation must satisfy its consistency rule, which can require multiple trading days.

The evaluation can be passed in one trading day while respecting the consistency rule.

Funded Phase Pricing Model

No activation fee and no recurring charge on Sim-Funded or Live Funded Accounts.

No monthly fee. The current program catalogue shows no activation fee.

Minimum Profitable Days

Growth payout eligibility

  • $50K: 4 days with at least $150 closed profit per day
  • $100K: 4 days with at least $250 closed profit per day
  • $150K: 4 days with at least $300 closed profit per day

Pro payout eligibility

  • $50K: 5 days with at least $200 closed profit per day
  • $100K: 5 days with at least $300 closed profit per day
  • $150K: 5 days with at least $500 closed profit per day
No data
Position size scaling
Yes

Sim-Funded Accounts start with 2, 4 or 6 mini contracts on the 50K, 100K and 150K sizes. The limit scales with end-of-day profit up to 5, 10 or 15 minis respectively. Ten micros count as one mini.

Yes

Every approved 10% profit milestone adds 1 mini and 10 micro contracts.

Evaluation Phase Pricing Model

Monthly subscription. Market data is included and there is no activation fee. After a hard breach, the trader can buy a reset or wait for the next renewal to receive a fresh Evaluation.

One-time evaluation fee with no monthly subscription.

Expert Advisor (EA)
Yes

Algorithmic trading and EAs are allowed, but manipulative automation, high-frequency strategies and latency arbitrage are prohibited. Third-party EAs can cause duplicated-strategy issues.

No

Algorithmic and high-frequency trading are prohibited.

VPN
Yes

VPN and VPS use is allowed if the trader remains the sole controller of the account and does not reside in a restricted country.

Yes
Hedging
Limited

Opposing positions may be used within one account. Hedging or offsetting directional risk across different accounts, providers or people is prohibited.

No
Requires Stop Loss
No
No
Scalping
Yes

Scalping is allowed when it reflects legitimate market trading. High-frequency and latency-arbitrage strategies are prohibited.

Yes
Maximum Risk Limit
Limited

No fixed percentage is published, but overleveraging, one-sided bets and materially inconsistent position sizing can lead to account action or termination.

No data
Copy Trading
Limited

Copying between accounts owned by the same trader is allowed. Copying signals or decisions from another trader or third party is prohibited.

Limited

Only between the trader's own 25K and 50K accounts, with a combined maximum allocation of $75,000.

News Trading
Yes
Yes
Inactivity Rule

Sim-Funded Accounts receive a warning after 30 consecutive inactive days and close after a further 30 inactive days. Live Funded Accounts have no inactivity rule.

Yes

At least one trade must be placed every 14 days.

Consistency Rule
Limited
  • Growth Evaluation: the best day cannot exceed 40% of total profit
  • Pro Evaluation: the best day cannot exceed 50% of total profit
  • Sim-Funded: no consistency rule
Yes

40% per-position consistency rule during evaluation and funded stages. It is calculated using accumulated profitable trades; losing trades are not deducted.

Hold Weekend
No
No
Prohibited Strategies

Exploiting platform or data-feed errors; relying on drawdown protection as the sole exit; offsetting risk across accounts; copying third-party trades; manipulative automation, HFT or latency arbitrage; opening positions within 2% of a CME price limit; holding positions or resting orders after market close; overleveraging, account rolling, spoofing, layering, wash trading or other behaviour that cannot be replicated in a live futures market.

High-frequency trading, algorithmic trading and hedging.

Overnight positions
No
Limited

Day Trade does not allow overnight positions. Swing allows limited overnight exposure: 1 mini/10 micros on 25K and 50K, 2/20 on 100K and 3/30 on 150K.

Stacking / Layering (DCA)
No data
Yes
Martingale
No data
Yes
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