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The real cost of Upcomers Perpetuals and forTraders Perps

forTraders Perps is significantly cheaper at the starting line, offering entry prices that are often less than half of what Upcomers Perpetuals charges for the same account size. However, Upcomers Perpetuals can become "cheaper" over time for successful traders due to a 200% refund bonus that essentially pays the trader to pass the evaluation.

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Entry price

The cost of admission shows a massive gap between the two firms, especially for those testing the waters with small balances.

  • $5,000 account: forTraders Perps costs $46, while Upcomers Perpetuals ranges from $139 (Thunderbolt) to $269 (Horizon).
  • $10,000 account: forTraders Perps costs $93, compared to Upcomers Perpetuals at $209 to $539.
  • $50,000 account: forTraders Perps costs $493, while Upcomers Perpetuals costs between $490 and $1,290.

Upcomers Perpetuals also offers instant funding accounts (Vanguard and Oracle) starting at $209, a direct cost for skipping the evaluation phase that forTraders Perps does not offer.

What you pay while trading

Trading is not free at either firm, but they charge you in fundamentally different ways.

Upcomers Perpetuals uses a commission-based model. For crypto, you pay 0.015% as a maker or 0.045% as a taker. For other assets, it is even lower (0.003% / 0.009%). This is a transparent transaction cost; if you don't trade, you don't pay.

forTraders Perps charges a fixed daily fee on the value of your open positions, which is billed hourly. For crypto, this is 0.03% per day. This acts as a "holding tax." If you hold a large crypto position for a week, this fee will eat into your equity much faster than the one-time commission at Upcomers Perpetuals.

What mistakes cost you

In prop trading, the cost of a mistake is often the total loss of the initial fee.

At forTraders Perps, the risk of ruin is higher due to a tighter 5% static maximum drawdown and a mandatory inactivity rule: failing to close a trade for 7 days results in a hard breach (account loss).

Upcomers Perpetuals allows for a slightly wider 6% or 8% drawdown depending on the plan. However, they impose a "maximum risk per trade" rule (between 1.5% and 3%). Violating this risk limit is a hard breach, meaning a single trade with a missing or poorly placed stop-loss costs you the entire account.

What it costs to get paid

This is where the economic impact is most visible.

forTraders Perps has a very competitive payout structure. They charge $25 for crypto withdrawals or $50 via Rise. If they fail to pay within 48 hours, they reward you with a 100% profit split, effectively removing their own cut as a penalty.

Upcomers Perpetuals has a much higher cost for success. If you withdraw via cryptocurrency, you pay $19.90 plus a staggering 30% fee. This means that if you earn $1,000, you only keep $700 minus the flat fee. To avoid this, you must use bank transfers, which still cost $19.90 plus 2.49%. Additionally, their 20% Best Day Rule can delay your payout if one trade was too successful, forcing you to trade more days to "balance" the account.

Where each one hides its cost

Upcomers Perpetuals hides its cost in the payout phase. The high crypto withdrawal fees and the consistency rules are designed to keep capital within the firm for longer. However, they offset this with a 200% refund on challenge fees after the third payout, which is a significant cash injection for the trader.

forTraders Perps hides its cost in the "Perpetual" nature of the platform. The hourly fees for holding positions and the $10,000 cap per reward are designed to limit the firm's exposure. While the entry is cheap, the cost of maintaining a long-term swing position is much higher than in traditional CFD-based prop firms.

Cheapest for whom

  • Traders on a tight budget: forTraders Perps is the clear winner for those who have less than $100 and want to manage a $10,000 account.
  • High-volume scalpers: Upcomers Perpetuals is cheaper because the one-time commission is more economical than the recurring hourly fees of forTraders Perps.
  • Long-term swing traders: Upcomers Perpetuals is better as it lacks the hourly position fees that drain accounts over several days.
  • Confident, consistent traders: Upcomers Perpetuals offers a better deal via the 200% refund bonus, provided they can navigate the high withdrawal fees.

Frequently asked questions

Which firm is cheaper to start with, Upcomers Perpetuals or forTraders Perps?

forTraders Perps is significantly cheaper for starting an evaluation. A $10,000 account costs only $93 at forTraders Perps, whereas the same size at Upcomers Perpetuals starts at $209 for their most basic challenge and goes up to $539 for instant funding.

Which firm has lower withdrawal fees, Upcomers Perpetuals or forTraders Perps?

forTraders Perps is much cheaper for receiving your profits. They charge a flat fee of $25 for crypto or $50 via Rise. In contrast, Upcomers Perpetuals charges a very high 30% fee for crypto payouts plus $19.90, making it one of the most expensive firms for withdrawing profits via digital assets.

Is it cheaper to hold trades overnight in Upcomers Perpetuals or forTraders Perps?

Upcomers Perpetuals is generally cheaper for holding trades because it does not charge recurring fees based on time. forTraders Perps charges an hourly fee (equivalent to 0.03% daily for crypto), which means that the longer you keep a trade open, the more it costs you in realized fees.

Which firm offers more value for passing the evaluation, Upcomers Perpetuals or forTraders Perps?

Upcomers Perpetuals offers more value upon success because it provides a 200% refund of the entry fee after the third payout. forTraders Perps does not mention a refund in its structured data, meaning the initial cost is a sunk expense, whereas at Upcomers Perpetuals, the entry fee eventually turns into a significant profit bonus.

Field by field

forTraders Perps and Upcomers Perpetuals, side by side

Rules, plans, platforms, leverage, commissions and payouts of both, with the option to see only what differs.

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Headquarters

Goldcrest Executive Building, Office No. 1210, JLT, Cluster C, Dubai, United Arab Emirates

Building A1, IFZA Business Park, Dubai Silicon Oasis, Dubai, United Arab Emirates

CEO

Jakub Rož

Jakub Zeliska

Country

United Arab Emirates

United Arab Emirates

Foundation

2023

2023

Banned Countries
Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Myanmar, Bangladesh, North Korea, Russian Federation, Belarus, Cuba, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, South Sudan, Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, United Arab Emirates
Afghanistan, Central African Republic, Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Kosovo, Libya, Mali, Myanmar, North Korea, Palestine, Russia, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Vanuatu, Venezuela
Assets
Crypto, Stocks, Indices, Commodities, Forex
Crypto, Stocks, ETFs, Indices, Commodities, Forex
Brokers

No broker: prices come from Hyperliquid or Binance, whichever has more liquidity for each market.

Live Hyperliquid order book and market data

Refund
No data
Yes

Challenge accounts qualify for a bonus equal to 200% of the entry fee after the third fully approved payout. It does not apply to instant funding accounts (Vanguard and Oracle).

Payout Fee
  • Crypto ($100 to $399): $25
  • Rise ($400 or more): $50

Bank transfer: $19.90 + 2.49%. Cryptocurrency: $19.90 + 30%. Returned payouts: $30 reprocessing fee.

Platforms
For Traders Perps
Upcomers
Payout Methods
Crypto, Rise
Crypto, Transfer
Payment Methods
Card, Crypto
Card, Crypto, PayPal, ApplePay, GooglePay
Payout Frequency

On demand from the first day on the Master account, with positions closed. First reward after 1% profit on the initial balance; then 2% growth on the remaining balance between rewards.

Thunderbolt, Phoenix, Vanguard and Oracle: on demand when all requirements are met. Horizon and Odyssey: every 14 days. Qualifying days with at least 0.5% realized profit before each payout: Vanguard 5 (6 on accounts bought before 26 October 2026), Oracle 5, Horizon 3 to 5 and Odyssey 3 or 4 by size; Thunderbolt and Phoenix none. The counter resets after every payout.

Payout Guarantee

48 hours: if not paid within 48h, 100% profit split

No data
Crypto Weekend Trading
Yes

Every market trades 24/7, weekends included: indices, gold and oil too.

Yes
Maximum Withdrawal

$10,000 per reward.

Perpetuals use the same progressive payout-cap ladder as CFD accounts. The cap increases with each fully approved payout and is removed from payout #8 onward. Profit above the applicable cap is forfeited at the end of the segment.

Minimum Withdrawal

$100 to withdraw from the For Traders wallet.

$45 after applying the selected profit split.

Other Payout Requirements
No data

At least 1% realized profit (3% on Horizon and Odyssey) since account start or the previous payout; all positions closed; drawdown compliance; completed KYC and signed Trader Agreement.

Metals

Gold: 20:1 in the help center, 10:1 in the instruments list. Silver, platinum, palladium and copper: 5:1.

Gold and silver: up to 8:1. Copper: up to 5:1

Energies

WTI and Brent: 8:1. Natural gas: 5:1.

WTI and Brent crude: up to 8:1

Indices

NAS100 and SP500: 12:1. JP225: 5:1.

Index perpetuals: up to 10:1

Stocks

NVDA, AAPL, MSFT, AMZN, META and GOOGL: 4:1. MSTR, COIN, CRCL, CRWV and BMNR: 2:1. Other stocks: 3:1.

Stock and ETF perpetuals: up to 4:1

Crypto

BTC: 10:1. ETH: 8:1. BNB and SOL: 5:1. HYPE, DOGE, XRP, TRX and LIT: 3:1. Other crypto: 2:1.

BTC, ETH and SOL: up to 10:1. Other cryptocurrencies: up to 2:1

Forex
No data

Forex perpetuals: up to 25:1

Commission
No data

Crypto perpetuals: 0.015% maker / 0.045% taker. Stocks, ETFs, indices, commodities and forex: 0.003% maker / 0.009% taker. MSTR, PURRDAT and GOLD: 0.03% maker / 0.09% taker. No spread markup; $10 minimum order.

Swap Free
No

Fixed daily fee on position value, charged hourly and equal for longs and shorts: crypto 0.03%, forex 0.005%, other markets 0.015%.

No
Account Reset
No data

Resets may be offered after a rule violation. A violation-related reset permanently caps future payouts on that account at 50% of the approved amount.

Add-ons
No data
No
Instant
No
Yes
One Step
Yes
Yes
Account scaling
No data
Yes

Eligible funded accounts can scale by 35% every four consecutive months, up to $4,000,000, after achieving 15% cumulative growth, at least two payouts and a profitable final cycle.

Two Steps
No
Yes
Max Drawdown

Static, measured from the initial balance, in the challenge and on the Master account. After the first reward the floor locks at the initial balance for good. Hard breach.

Thunderbolt, Horizon and Odyssey: 6% trailing Dynamic Risk Shield that locks at the starting balance. Phoenix: 6% fixed maximum drawdown. Vanguard: 8% trailing maximum drawdown (7% on accounts bought before 2 November 2026). Oracle: 5% trailing maximum drawdown.

Profit Split

80%.

Thunderbolt, Phoenix, Vanguard and Oracle: 80% base split; 90% (checkout default) or 100% can be chosen for a higher price. Horizon and Odyssey: fixed 80%.

Free Trial
No data
No
Daily Drawdown

Hard breach, open positions included. A fixed share of the initial balance, subtracted at 00:00 server time (CET/CEST) from the higher of balance or equity.

Thunderbolt and Horizon: 3%. Phoenix, Vanguard, Oracle and Odyssey: 4%. Measured from the higher of equity or balance at 00:00 UTC.

Three Steps
No
No data
Max Allocation
No data

Current Perpetuals accounts are sold up to $400,000. Total funded capital across all Upcomers programs cannot exceed $1,500,000. Eligible accounts can scale to $4,000,000.

Merge Accounts
No data
No
Maximum Trading Days

No time limit.

Unlimited.

Minimum Trading Days

None.

Thunderbolt and Phoenix: no minimum to pass. Horizon: 2 days. Odyssey: 2 days per phase. Vanguard has no evaluation.

Minimum Profitable Days

None.

Before each payout, days with at least 0.5% realized profit: Vanguard 5 (6 on accounts bought before 26 October 2026); Oracle 5; Horizon 3 up to $50K, 4 up to $200K and 5 from $200K; Odyssey 3 below $100K and 4 from $100K. Thunderbolt and Phoenix: none.

Expert Advisor (EA)
No

EAs allowed only as decision-support tools (alerts, partial management, predefined rules). Fully autonomous trading bots are prohibited.

No
VPN
No data
Limited

Not explicitly prohibited, but strongly discouraged. VPN or VPS use during KYC/AML verification is prohibited.

Hedging
No

Cross-account hedging (opposing positions on the same instrument across accounts) is forbidden.

No

Prohibited, even within a single account, and across accounts.

Requires Stop Loss
No data
No
Scalping
Yes

Manual scalping allowed with a minimum 5-second hold per trade. Tick scalping and HFT are forbidden.

Limited

Normal scalping is allowed. Tick scalping, HFT and latency exploitation are prohibited; trades repeatedly closed in under two minutes may be treated as tick scalping.

Stacking / Layering (DCA)
No data
Yes
Martingale
No

Martingale strategies (doubling position size after losses) are classified as gambling and forbidden.

No
Maximum Risk Limit
No data
Yes

Funded maximum loss per trade: 3% on Thunderbolt and Phoenix; 2% on Vanguard, Oracle and Odyssey; 1.5% on Horizon. Positions on the same instrument and direction count as one trade. Exceeding it is a hard breach.

Copy Trading
No

Outbound copy trading (from your For Traders account to external accounts) is allowed. Inbound copy trading from external sources is strictly forbidden.

No
News Trading
Limited

Free in the challenge. On the Master account, no new positions from 5 minutes before to 5 minutes after high-impact news; open positions can stay. Breaking it is a soft breach: those profits may be deducted.

Yes
Inactivity Rule
Yes

Close at least one position every 7 days, in the challenge and on the Master account. Breaking it is a hard breach.

Yes

The account expires after 35 consecutive days without closing a trade. A warning is sent 7 days before expiration.

Consistency Rule
No
Yes

20% Best Day Rule at payout for Thunderbolt, Phoenix, Vanguard and Oracle. It is a soft payout requirement and does not breach the account. Horizon and Odyssey: no consistency rule.

Hold Weekend
Yes

Positions can stay open overnight and over the weekend.

Yes

All Perpetuals markets trade 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Prohibited Strategies
  • Arbitrage (latency, reverse, statistical)
  • HFT (High Frequency Trading)
  • Grid trading
  • Tick scalping
  • Fully autonomous bots/EAs
  • Cross-account hedging
  • Gambling behaviors (overleveraging, all-in trades > 70% of profit target)
  • Martingale
  • Inbound copy trading and signal services
  • Group/signal trading from Telegram, Discord etc.

Platform or feed exploitation, tick scalping, high-frequency trading, latency trading, arbitrage, grid trading, martingale, one-sided or all-or-nothing bets, reverse or group hedging, external signal or challenge-passing services, account sharing and coordinated trading are prohibited.

Overnight positions
No data
Yes
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