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How much freedom you get at Propr and Upcomers Perpetuals

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Time limits

You cannot take forever to stay inactive at Upcomers Perpetuals; if you do not close a trade within 35 consecutive days, your account will be terminated. This forces you to engage with the market even when conditions are not favorable. Furthermore, if you choose the Vanguard Instant Funding plan, you are prohibited from withdrawing whenever you want: you must first complete 6 qualifying days, each with at least 0.5% realized profit, before every single payout. Propr is less restrictive regarding time, as it imposes no minimum or maximum trading days, meaning you aren't pressured by the calendar, though you are still bound by the lack of a reset option if you fail.

Weekends and news

At neither firm will you be able to trade traditional markets when they are closed, but both allow you to hold positions over the weekend. However, you are limited by the volatility of crypto markets which never sleep. While news trading is permitted at both, you cannot escape the risk of slippage in these high-volatility environments. At Propr, you are specifically restricted from using external accounts (CEX/DEX) to hedge and eliminate risk, preventing you from using certain market-neutral strategies.

Where you can trade from

Your physical location is a significant barrier. You cannot access Propr if you reside in a long list of countries, including Bangladesh, Belarus, Russia, Venezuela, or Pakistan. Upcomers Perpetuals also excludes residents from Russia, Venezuela, and several others like Afghanistan or Kosovo. Regarding privacy, you cannot hide behind a VPN to bypass geographic restrictions at either firm; your KYC must match your actual residence. Upcomers goes further by explicitly prohibiting VPN or VPS use during the KYC/AML process, which might be a hurdle if your local connection is unstable.

What the platform limits

You are restricted to proprietary environments at both firms. You cannot use MetaTrader 4 or 5; instead, you are forced to use their web-based terminals powered by Hyperliquid. This means you cannot use any custom indicators or tools built for the MT4/MT5 ecosystem.

  • Style restrictions: At Upcomers, you cannot use EAs (Expert Advisors) at all. You are also prohibited from "tick scalping" or high-frequency trading; if you repeatedly close trades in under two minutes, they may be forfeited.
  • Automation at Propr: While Propr allows bots, you are restricted from using identical bots to other users, as this is flagged as "coordinated trading," which can lead to account closure.
  • Instrument limits: You cannot trade without paying commissions, and at Upcomers, you are limited by a $10 minimum order size.

What the rules cost you

The financial cost of these rules limits how many attempts you can afford. A $100,000 evaluation at Upcomers (Phoenix) costs $999, while at Propr (Classic 2-Step) it costs $749, meaning Upcomers limits your participation more through higher entry barriers.

  • Risk margins: You cannot lose more than 3% to 3.5% in a single day at either firm. At Propr, the 2-Step drawdown is particularly restrictive because it trails your highest equity, including floating profit, meaning your "floor" rises as your open trades go into profit.
  • Payout barriers: At Upcomers, you cannot withdraw all your profit immediately. They use a progressive payout cap ladder; you are restricted by these limits until your 8th payout. Most importantly, Upcomers imposes a massive fee for cryptocurrency withdrawals: $19.90 plus 30% of the amount, which significantly drains your earnings. Propr, by contrast, has no withdrawal fees but requires a minimum of 20 USDC.

Restrictions that add up

The combined effect of these rules creates a narrow path to success. At Propr, the combination of a trailing drawdown on floating equity and a proprietary terminal means you must manage risk on unrealized gains constantly, or the "floor" will catch you. At Upcomers Perpetuals, the ban on EAs, the 2% maximum risk per trade rule, and the 20% "Best Day" consistency rule create a system where you are forced to trade manually, with limited risk, and with a high degree of performance consistency, all while facing significant costs to actually get your money out via crypto.

Frequently asked questions

Which firm is more expensive to start a $100,000 challenge, Propr or Upcomers Perpetuals?

Upcomers Perpetuals is more expensive for a standard two-step evaluation. Their $100,000 "Phoenix Classic" account costs $999, whereas the Propr "Classic 2-Step" for the same capital is priced at $749. This means that at Upcomers, the initial barrier to entry is $250 higher for the same starting balance.

Who allows the use of Expert Advisors (EAs), Propr or Upcomers Perpetuals?

Propr allows the use of bots and agents, although they impose restrictions against "coordinated trading" (using the same bot as others without customization). Upcomers Perpetuals, on the other hand, explicitly prohibits the use of EAs entirely, forcing all traders to execute their strategies manually.

Which firm has more restrictive withdrawal fees for crypto, Propr or Upcomers Perpetuals?

Upcomers Perpetuals is significantly more restrictive and expensive. They charge a fee of $19.90 plus 30% for cryptocurrency withdrawals. In contrast, Propr does not charge any withdrawal fees, requiring only a minimum withdrawal amount of 20 USDC, making it much easier to keep the profit you earn.

Between Propr and Upcomers Perpetuals, which one has an inactivity rule?

Upcomers Perpetuals has a strict inactivity rule where the account expires after 35 consecutive days without closing a trade. Propr does not list a specific inactivity expiration in its rules, allowing for more flexibility if a trader needs to step away from the markets for more than a month.

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Headquarters

Registered address: Trinity Chambers, PO Box 4301, Road Town, Tortola, British Virgin Islands

Building A1, IFZA Business Park, Dubai Silicon Oasis, Dubai, United Arab Emirates

CEO

Louis Regis

Jakub Zeliska

Country

British Virgin Islands

United Arab Emirates

Foundation
No data

2023

Banned Countries
Bangladesh, Belarus, Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, Congo, Cuba, Ethiopia, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Libya, Mali, Myanmar, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Yemen, Zimbabwe, Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk
Afghanistan, Central African Republic, Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Kosovo, Libya, Mali, Myanmar, North Korea, Palestine, Russia, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Vanuatu, Venezuela
Assets
Crypto, Stocks, Indices, Commodities, Forex
Crypto, Stocks, ETFs, Indices, Commodities, Forex
Refund
No
Yes

Challenge accounts, including Thunderbolt and Phoenix, qualify for a bonus equal to 200% of the entry fee after the third fully approved payout. It does not apply to Vanguard Instant Funding.

Payout Fee

No withdrawal fee

Bank transfer: $19.90 + 2.49%. Cryptocurrency: $19.90 + 30%. Returned payouts: $30 reprocessing fee.

Platforms
Propietary Platform
Upcomers
Payout Methods
Crypto
Crypto, Transfer
Payment Methods
Card, Crypto
Card, Crypto, PayPal, ApplePay, GooglePay
Payout Frequency

On demand, with no minimum waiting period. Close all positions and withdraw all profit; balance returns to its initial amount.

Payouts are available on demand when all requirements are met. Thunderbolt and Phoenix have no profitable-day minimum. Vanguard requires 6 qualifying days with at least 0.5% realized profit each. The counter resets after every payout.

Payout Guarantee

Within 24 hours

No data
Crypto Weekend Trading
Yes
Yes
Maximum Withdrawal

No limit

Perpetuals use the same progressive payout-cap ladder as CFD accounts. The cap increases with each fully approved payout and is removed from payout #8 onward. Profit above the applicable cap is forfeited at the end of the segment.

Minimum Withdrawal

20 USDC

$45 after applying the selected profit split.

Brokers
No data

Live Hyperliquid order book and market data

Other Payout Requirements
No data

At least 1% realized profit since account start or the previous payout; all positions closed; drawdown compliance; completed KYC and signed Trader Agreement.

Forex
25:1

Forex perpetuals: up to 25:1

Metals

Gold and silver: 8:1. Other commodities: 5:1.

Gold and silver: up to 8:1. Copper: up to 5:1

Energies

CL and Brent: 8:1. Other commodities: 5:1.

WTI and Brent crude: up to 8:1

Indices

SP500 and XYZ100: 10:1. Other indices: 5:1.

Index perpetuals: up to 10:1

Stocks
4:1

Stock and ETF perpetuals: up to 4:1

Crypto

BTC, ETH and SOL: 10:1. Others: 2:1.

BTC, ETH and SOL: up to 10:1. Other cryptocurrencies: up to 2:1

Forex
0.003% - 0.009%
No data
Metals
0.003% - 0.009%
No data
Energies
0.003% - 0.009%
No data
Indices
0.003% - 0.009%
No data
Stocks
0.003% - 0.009% - 0.03% - 0.09%
No data
Crypto
0.015% - 0.045%
No data
Commission-Free Option
No
No data
Commission
No data

Crypto perpetuals: 0.015% maker / 0.045% taker. Stocks, ETFs, indices, commodities and forex: 0.003% maker / 0.009% taker. MSTR, PURRDAT and GOLD: 0.03% maker / 0.09% taker. No spread markup; $10 minimum order.

Swap Free
No
No
Account Reset

Not available

Resets may be offered after a rule violation. A violation-related reset permanently caps future payouts on that account at 50% of the approved amount.

Instant
No
Yes
One Step
Yes

Target checked on equity, including floating profit.

Yes
Two Steps
Yes

Targets checked on equity. Balance carries over to the second step.

Yes
Max Drawdown

One step: fixed floor from the starting balance. Two steps: trails the highest equity, including floating profit, and stops at the starting balance. After a payout, balance and limits return to their initial reference.

Thunderbolt: 6% trailing Dynamic Risk Shield. Phoenix: 6% fixed maximum drawdown. Vanguard: 7% trailing maximum drawdown.

Free Trial
Yes

Free terminal demo; passing it does not grant funding.

No
Profit After Breach

No payouts from accounts that have breached a limit.

No data
Daily Drawdown

Each plan's percentage of balance at 00:00 UTC. Enforced on equity, including floating P&L; touching either limit permanently closes the account.

Thunderbolt: 3%. Phoenix: 3.5%. Vanguard: 3%. The daily boundary is 00:00 UTC.

Three Steps
No
No data
Max Allocation
300,000

Current Perpetuals accounts are sold up to $400,000. Total funded capital across all Upcomers programs cannot exceed $1,500,000. Eligible accounts can scale to $4,000,000.

Maximum Accounts

Multiple evaluations and funded accounts under one profile. The aggregate limit applies to initially allocated capital.

No data
Maximum Trading Days

No time limit

Unlimited.

Minimum Trading Days

No minimum

Thunderbolt and Phoenix have no minimum trading days to pass their evaluations. Vanguard has no evaluation.

Points Reward Program

Points earned on purchases, distributed on Fridays at 18:00 UTC. They are retained even if the evaluation breaches a limit.

No data
Add-ons
No data
No
Account scaling
No data
Yes

Eligible funded accounts can scale by 35% every four consecutive months, up to $4,000,000, after achieving 15% cumulative growth, at least two payouts and a profitable final cycle.

Profit Split
No data

80%, 90% or 100%, depending on the checkout option. The base catalogue prices correspond to 80%; the checkout defaults to 90%.

Merge Accounts
No data
No
Minimum Profitable Days
No data

Thunderbolt and Phoenix: none. Vanguard: 6 days with at least 0.5% realized profit each before every payout.

Expert Advisor (EA)
Limited

Bots and agents allowed. They must not impair platform stability. On funded accounts, bots identical to other users' bots or without customization may be considered coordinated trading.

No
VPN
Limited

Allowed without bypassing geographic restrictions; actual identity and residence must match KYC.

Limited

Not explicitly prohibited, but strongly discouraged. VPN or VPS use during KYC/AML verification is prohibited.

Hedging
Limited

Allowed within one account. Prohibited across Propr accounts or with external CEX/DEX accounts to eliminate risk.

No

Hedging across multiple accounts is prohibited. Hedging within one account is allowed under normal trading rules.

Requires Stop Loss
No
No
Scalping
Yes
Limited

Normal scalping is allowed. Tick scalping, HFT and latency exploitation are prohibited; trades repeatedly closed in under two minutes may be treated as tick scalping.

Maximum Risk Limit
Limited

No fixed risk percentage per trade. Notional limits per asset and order appear in Asset Universe. Limits tied to open interest may change and Propr may require position reductions.

Yes

Funded maximum loss per trade: 2% on Thunderbolt and Phoenix; 1.5% on Vanguard. Positions on the same instrument and direction count as one trade.

Copy Trading
Limited

Copying from an external account into one Propr account is allowed. Evaluation terms prohibit copying between your own accounts, although the website and rulebook allow it. Coordination to exploit limits is prohibited.

No
News Trading
Yes
Yes
Consistency Rule
No
Yes

20% Best Day Rule at payout for Thunderbolt, Phoenix and Vanguard. It is a soft payout requirement and does not breach the account.

Hold Weekend
Yes
Yes

All Perpetuals markets trade 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Prohibited Strategies

Bug or latency exploitation, wash trading, collusion, account sharing, identity fraud, repeated evaluation purchases as bets, and manipulation of payout/drawdown interactions.

Platform or feed exploitation, tick scalping, high-frequency trading, latency trading, arbitrage, grid trading, martingale, one-sided or all-or-nothing bets, reverse or group hedging, external signal or challenge-passing services, account sharing and coordinated trading are prohibited.

Stacking / Layering (DCA)
No data
Yes
Martingale
No data
No
Inactivity Rule
No data
Yes

The account expires after 35 consecutive days without closing a trade. A warning is sent 7 days before expiration.

Overnight positions
No data
Yes
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