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Funded Futures Family and Phidias at a glance

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The short answer

Choose Funded Futures Family (FFF) if you want a high 90% profit split and the option to skip evaluations via "Straight to Funded" accounts. Pick Phidias if you require a static drawdown that never moves or need to hold positions over the weekend.

Where they actually differ

  • Risk (Drawdown Type): Phidias offers an "Express to Live" plan with a static drawdown (it never trails). FFF uses End-of-Day or Intraday trailing drawdown depending on the chosen plan, which is more restrictive for capital preservation.
  • Trading Styles (Holding Rules): Phidias (Premium plan) allows overnight and weekend holding. FFF requires all positions to be closed daily by 4:15 PM EST, with no weekend trading permitted.
  • Payout (Profit Split): FFF offers a flat 90% split on simulated accounts. Phidias starts at 75-80% but scales up to 100% split on its Premium plan starting from the fifth payout.
  • Risk (Hard Rules): FFF enforces a 20-second minimum hold rule (micro-scalping prohibited) and a 2% CME price limit rule. Phidias is more flexible with styles, allowing semi-automated software, but enforces a strict 30% consistency rule on its Fundamental/Premium CASH accounts.
  • Platforms (Technology): Phidias supports a massive array of professional tools via Rithmic, including Bookmap, Jigsaw, and Sierra Chart. FFF is more retail-focused, supporting Tradovate, NinjaTrader, and TradingView.
  • Price (Evaluation Path): FFF offers a "Straight to Funded" (S2F) option to bypass evaluations for a higher upfront fee ($329–$734). Phidias requires passing an evaluation, though its "Express to Live" path guarantees a LIVE account transition after reaching a target in the CASH phase.

Where they are basically the same

  • Assets: Both firms focus exclusively on CME Futures (Indices, Commodities, Metals).
  • Payout Methods: Both utilize Rise, Crypto, and Bank Transfers for withdrawals.
  • Minimum Trading Days: Both offer "1-Day Pass" or 0-day minimum options on specific evaluation plans.
  • Business Info: Both are relatively new firms (FFF 2024, Phidias 2023) with high Trustpilot engagement.

Pick this one if

Funded Futures Family

  • You want the maximum profit split (90%) from the start.
  • You want to buy a funded account directly (S2F) without an evaluation.
  • You trade primarily via TradingView.

Phidias Propfirm

  • You need a static drawdown to manage risk without trailing limits.
  • You swing trade and need to hold positions over the weekend.
  • You use advanced order flow platforms like Bookmap or Sierra Chart.

Frequently asked questions

Which firm offers a better drawdown structure, FFF or Phidias?

Phidias offers a superior drawdown structure for most traders through its Express to Live plan, which features a static drawdown that never moves up. In contrast, Funded Futures Family uses trailing drawdowns (either End-of-Day or Intraday) across its plans, meaning the risk limit follows your profit higher.

Can I hold positions over the weekend in FFF or Phidias?

You can only hold positions over the weekend in Phidias if you use their Premium plan. Funded Futures Family (FFF) strictly prohibits weekend holding and requires all traders to close positions every Friday by 4:15 PM EST.

Who provides a higher profit share, Funded Futures Family or Phidias?

Funded Futures Family (FFF) provides a higher initial share with a flat 90% profit split. Phidias starts lower at 75% or 80% depending on the plan, but it is the only one of the two that scales up to a 100% profit split for traders who reach their fifth payout on the Premium plan.

Which firm is better for TradingView users, FFF or Phidias?

Funded Futures Family (FFF) is more streamlined for TradingView users as it is a core supported platform across their plans. While Phidias also supports TradingView via its Tradovate integration, its ecosystem is more heavily geared toward professional Rithmic-based platforms like Sierra Chart and Bookmap.

Field by field

Funded Futures Family and Phidias Propfirm, side by side

Rules, plans, platforms, leverage, commissions and payouts of both, with the option to see only what differs.

Head to head

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Headquarters

28780 Single Oak Dr, 325, Temecula, California 92590, US

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CEO

Manuel Meraz

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Country

United States

Gibraltar

Foundation

2024

2023

Banned Countries
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Assets
Indices, Commodities
Indices, Interest Rates, Currencies, Cryptocurrencies, Agriculture, Energies, Metals
Brokers
Tradovate, Rithmic, NinjaTrader
Dorman Trading
Platforms
Tradovate, NinjaTrader, Tradingview, WealthCharts
RTrader Pro, Rithmic, Tradovate, NinjaTrader, Tradingview, DeepCharts, Quantower, MotiveWave, ATAS, Sierra Chart, Bookmap, Jigsaw
Payout Methods
Transfer, Crypto, Rise
Rise, Transfer, Crypto
Live Account
Yes

Professional Stage accounts use real capital. Pro environment runs on Tradovate; Live Market Execution environment runs on Rithmic.

Yes

Express to Live converts the CASH account to LIVE after reaching its CASH target and requesting the first payout through “Switch to Live”. Phidias states that the full path from signup to first payout and LIVE conversion can be completed in 48 hours on every E2L size. Fundamental and Premium may transition to LIVE after 5 payouts or $100,000 in cumulative profits, subject to the risk team’s discretion.

Payment Methods
Card, Crypto, PayPal
Card
Payout Frequency

Simulated Funded Accounts

  • Prime: Every 3 trading days
  • Classic: Every 7 trading days
  • Premier / Elite: Every 5 trading days
  • Velocity Standard: Every 3 trading days
  • Velocity Daily Payout Add-On: Daily (1x per day)
  • Straight To Funded (S2F): Every 7 trading days
  • S2F Accelerate: Eligible for payout after 5 trading days
  • Base Plan: Daily (1x per trading day)

Professional Stage Accounts

  • Daily withdrawal requests permitted.

Lab Plans

  • Lab Sniper 25K: daily payouts once eligible.
  • Lab Accelerate 25K: 5 qualifying days per payout.
  • Lab Payday 50K: 7 qualifying days per payout.

Fundamental: every 10 qualifying trading days. Premium: every 5 qualifying days. LIVE from Express to Live: daily.

Payout Guarantee
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Phidias states that 90% of payouts are processed in under 30 minutes and all payouts within 24 hours.

Maximum Withdrawal

Simulated Funded Accounts: Max Payout Per Request

  • Prime: Payout 1 ($1,000-$3,500), Payout 2+ ($1,500-$4,000)
  • Classic: Payout 1 ($1,750-$3,000), Payout 2+ ($2,000-$6,000)
  • Premier / Elite: Payout 1 ($1,750-$3,000), Payout 2+ ($2,000-$6,500)
  • Velocity Standard: $750-$3,250 per request
  • Velocity Daily Payout Add-On: $600-$2,500 per request
  • S2F: Payout 1 ($1,000-$3,000), Payout 2+ ($1,000-$3,500)
  • S2F Accelerate $50K: Payout 1 ($1,250), Payout 2 ($1,250), Payout 3+ ($1,500)
  • Base Plan: $1,000 per request

Professional Stage Accounts

  • No maximum withdrawal amount, limited only by available profits above the required buffer.

Lab Plans

  • Sniper 25K: payouts 1-2 up to $500 each; payout 3 onward up to $1,000 each.
  • Accelerate 25K: up to $500 per payout.
  • Payday 50K: payouts 1-2 up to $1,000 each; payout 3 onward up to $1,250 each.

Fundamental and Premium: up to $2,000 per cycle on 50K, $2,500 on 100K, and $2,750 on 150K. LIVE accounts originating from Express to Live have no maximum daily limit.

Minimum Withdrawal
  • Base Plan: $500.
  • Other plans: $250.

$500.

Other Payout Requirements

Base Plan

  • No qualifying trading days required
  • Keep at least $4,000 after withdrawal
  • Earn at least $1 in new net profit between payouts

Lab Plans

  • Sniper 25K: $2,500 profit required between payouts.
  • Payday 50K: $3,000 profit required between payouts.

Fundamental and Premium apply a 30% consistency rule on CASH accounts. A qualifying day must generate at least $150 on 50K, $200 on 100K, or $250 on 150K. Express to Live uses a separate bonus and automatic LIVE conversion system.

Commission

Commission depends on the trading platform used

  • NinjaTrader: standard NinjaTrader/CME exchange and clearing fees apply. Check NinjaTrader's commission schedule for exact rates per contract.
  • Tradovate: standard Tradovate platform and exchange fees apply. See Tradovate's pricing page for per-contract rates.
  • TradingView (via Tradovate): fees are determined by the connected broker (Tradovate). Refer to Tradovate for exact rates.
  • WealthCharts: standard exchange and clearing fees apply. Verify with WealthCharts for specific per-contract pricing.
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Account Reset

Evaluation Accounts

  • Unlimited resets at discounted fees. Fees vary by plan and account size.

Simulated Funded Accounts

  • Maximum of 3 resets per funded account.
    Lab Straight to Funded accounts cannot be reset.
Limited

Fundamental and Premium allow unlimited evaluation resets. A failed subscription also resets with the next 30-day renewal. Express to Live does not allow resets. Premium CASH permits one funded-account reset.

Add-ons
Yes

Daily Payout Add-On available for Velocity Plan: enables daily payout requests (1x per day) with no consistency rule and no minimum trading day requirement.

Yes

Market-depth data and additional exchanges can be purchased from the member area.

Instant
Yes
No
One Step
Yes
Yes
Account scaling
Yes

Scaling plan applies to Simulated Funded and Professional Stage accounts. In Sim Funded, position size increases with realized profit (end-of-day). In Professional Stage, scaling is decided case-by-case by the Live Desk based on EOD realized results.
Lab Sniper 25K and Accelerate 25K have fixed position limits and no scaling plan. Lab Payday 50K has a scaling plan.

Limited

LIVE accounts may advance to ELITE after 60 days and a $125,000 balance, or MASTER after 120 days and $250,000. Transition remains subject to risk review.

Max Drawdown

Evaluation Phase

  • Prime / Classic / Premier EOD: End-of-Day trailing drawdown based on realized gains.
  • Elite / Premier Intraday: Intraday trailing drawdown based on unrealized gains.
  • S2F Standard: End-of-Day drawdown.
  • S2F Accelerate: Intraday trailing drawdown with no ceiling.
  • Velocity: End-of-Day drawdown.
  • Base Plan: $2,000 End-of-Day trailing drawdown based on the highest End-of-Day balance.

Simulated Funded Phase

  • End-of-Day drawdown on all plans except S2F Accelerate and Base Plan. Except for Lab Sniper 25K, once an End-of-Day account reaches the buffer zone (e.g., $52,000 for $50K account), the drawdown becomes static at the initial balance.
  • S2F Accelerate: Intraday trailing drawdown with no ceiling.
  • Base Plan: $2,000 intraday trailing drawdown that locks once the account reaches $2,000 in profit.

Professional Stage

  • End-of-Position (EoP) drawdown: adjusts only when a position is closed in profit. Drawdown locks at a static threshold once fully recovered (e.g., $50,100 for $50K account).

Lab Plans, Straight to Funded

  • Sniper 25K: EOD trailing drawdown that never locks.
  • Accelerate 25K: intraday trailing drawdown that never locks.
  • Payday 50K: EOD trailing drawdown locks at the initial balance once the EOD balance reaches the initial balance plus the maximum drawdown.

Express to Live uses a static drawdown that never moves. Fundamental and Premium use trailing drawdown calculated at the end of the day; the limit remains fixed during the session.

Profit Split

Simulated Funded Accounts

  • 90% trader / 10% firm

Professional Stage Accounts

  • 80% trader / 20% firm

Express to Live and Fundamental: 80%. Premium: 75% on the first payout, 80% on the second, 85% on the third, 90% on the fourth, and 100% from the fifth onward.

Free Trial
No
No
Daily Drawdown

Evaluation & Simulated Funded Accounts

  • Except for Lab Payday 50K, no explicit daily loss limit (DLL) during evaluation or simulated funded phase. However, the 2% CME price limit rule applies.

Professional Stage Accounts

  • Daily Loss Limit (DLL) applies and is tied to the current scaling tier.

Lab Plans

  • Sniper 25K and Accelerate 25K: no daily loss limit.
  • Payday 50K: a daily loss limit applies; exceeding it is a hard breach. The amount is shown in the challenge catalogue.

There is no daily loss limit on Express to Live, Fundamental, or Premium.

Max Allocation

Up to 4 Simm Funded Accounts

600,000
Mandatory buffer
Limited

Classic / Premier / Elite / S2F Standard / Velocity: Buffer Required

  • A buffer must be maintained at all times. The account balance cannot drop below the buffer level after withdrawal. The buffer equals the drawdown level + $100.

Base Plan

  • Keep at least $4,000 in the account after every payout.

Premier Plus (accounts purchased after 4/7/26)

  • No buffer requirement. Net profit rule applies: account must have at least $1 more than the balance requested previously.

Lab Accelerate 25K

  • $1,100 payout buffer; only profits above this buffer can be requested.
No

A minimum threshold applies when requesting a payout, but withdrawals may reduce the balance to $50,100, $100,100, or $150,100. Phidias does not treat this as a locked buffer.

Merge Accounts
No
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Maximum Trading Days

No time limit. Traders can take as long as needed to meet the profit target.

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Minimum Trading Days
  • Classic Evaluation: Minimum 2 trading days to pass.
  • Prime: Minimum 1 trading day to pass. Standard and Max differ only in position limits and price.
  • Premier: Choose a 1-Day Pass or 2-Day Pass at checkout. The selected minimum applies to the evaluation.
  • Elite and Velocity: Minimum 1 trading day to pass.
  • Funded payouts: 7 qualifying trading days ($200+ profit) for Classic / Premier / Elite / S2F Standard. 3 qualifying days for Prime. 5 qualifying days for Premier Plus accounts purchased after April 7, 2026.
  • Lab Sniper 25K, Accelerate 25K and Payday 50K bypass evaluation. Their funded payout day requirements are listed under minimum profitable days.

Evaluation: 0 days on Express to Live, 3 on Fundamental, and 1 on Premium. CASH: 0 days for the Express to Live bonus, 10 qualifying days between payouts on Fundamental, and 5 on Premium.

Funded Phase Pricing Model

No subscription fee on funded accounts. No activation fee on Prime, Premier, and Velocity. Classic and Base Plan have an activation fee.
Lab Sniper 25K, Accelerate 25K and Payday 50K use a one-time purchase fee with no activation or recurring funded fee.

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Points Reward Program
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Phidias Wallet centralizes account subscriptions, bank or cryptocurrency withdrawals, purchases, activations, and LIVE-account funding directly from earnings. Phidias Points are an internal unit that cannot be transferred outside the ecosystem.

Minimum Profitable Days

Payout Requirements (Simulated Funded)

  • Except for plans without a qualifying-day requirement, each payout cycle requires a minimum number of qualifying trading days with at least $200 realized profit per day.
  • Classic / Premier / Elite / S2F Standard: 7 qualifying days per payout.
  • Prime: 3 qualifying days per payout.
  • Premier Plus (after 4/7/26): 5 qualifying days per payout.

Professional Stage

  • A Qualified Trading Day is defined as a day with at least $200 in realized profit, used to determine withdrawal stage eligibility.

Lab Plans

  • Sniper 25K: no qualifying-day minimum; payout profit requirements still apply.
  • Accelerate 25K: 5 qualifying days per payout, each with at least $200 profit.
  • Payday 50K: 7 qualifying days per payout, each with at least $200 profit.

On Fundamental and Premium CASH accounts, a qualifying day must close with at least $150 on 50K, $200 on 100K, or $250 on 150K.

Position size scaling
Yes

Scaling applies to Simulated Funded and S2F Standard accounts based on end-of-day realized profit. Position size increases progressively as profit thresholds are met. S2F Accelerate does not use a scaling plan.

Premier Plus Simulated Funded

  • Accounts purchased before September 9, 2026 use the legacy scaling plan, with maximums of 3 minis / 30 micros on 25K, 5 / 50 on 50K, 10 / 100 on 100K and 15 / 150 on 150K.
  • Accounts purchased from September 9, 2026 have fixed maximums of 2 minis / 20 micros on 25K, 4 / 40 on 50K, 6 / 60 on 100K and 10 / 100 on 150K.

Base Plan Simulated Funded

  • Position size changes with the account balance after trades are closed. $1,000 allows 1 mini / 10 micros, $2,000 allows 2 / 20 and $4,000 allows 4 / 40, up to 15 minis / 150 micros.

Lab Plans

  • Sniper 25K and Accelerate 25K: no position size scaling.
  • Payday 50K: position size scaling applies.
Limited

On LIVE accounts, traders may request a contract-limit increase in writing. The risk team may approve, reject, or adjust the limit.

Evaluation Phase Pricing Model

Monthly subscription for Prime, Premier (Intraday and EOD), Velocity, and Classic. Base Plan uses a one-time evaluation fee. Straight To Funded (S2F) uses a one-time fee and bypasses evaluation.

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Maximum Accounts
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Unlimited evaluation accounts. A trader may operate a LIVE account while pursuing a new evaluation. Simultaneous maximum: 5 Fundamental CASH, 5 Premium CASH, and 5 Express to Live CASH/LIVE accounts. The 10K Drawdown Summer Edition allows unlimited simultaneous entries, with only the trader’s best account counting on the leaderboard. Fundamental and Premium 150K accounts count as two slots in their category.

Expert Advisor (EA)
No
No

Robots, fully automated algorithms, and HFT are prohibited. Semi-automated software is allowed when the trader actively monitors and manually adjusts every trade.

VPN
Yes

VPNs and VPSs are allowed for trading activities on the trading platform. They must not be used to access or log in to the FFF account dashboard. Use is at the trader's own discretion and risk.

No
Hedging
No
No

Hedging is prohibited on the same underlying within one account (including ES vs MES), between CASH accounts, and through coordinated opposite trades between traders; violations can close all involved accounts and lead to a ban. Multiple assets may be traded simultaneously, but the contract cap applies across all symbols; bypassing it can close the account without refund.

Requires Stop Loss
No
No
Scalping
Yes
Yes
Stacking / Layering (DCA)
No
Yes

DCA is allowed to smooth entry points, provided consistent risk management is maintained.

Martingale
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No
Maximum Risk Limit
No
Limited

Phidias requires consistent position sizing and risk management. Lottery-style trading, excessive margin usage, or non-replicable patterns may lead to reduced contracts or account closure.

Copy Trading
No
Yes

Allowed within the maximum account limits. Identical strategies exceeding the authorized allocation may result in account suspension.

News Trading
Yes
Yes
Inactivity Rule

At least 1 trade per week (Monday-Friday) lasting minimum 10 seconds is required per account. Accounts idle for 2 consecutive weeks are marked inactive and automatically closed without restoration.

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Consistency Rule
Limited

Classic Evaluation

  • 50% consistency rule applies: no more than 50% of the total profit target can be achieved in a single day.

Base Plan

  • Evaluation: 40% consistency rule.
  • Simulated Funded: no consistency rule.

Simulated Funded Accounts (Classic / Premier / Elite / S2F / Velocity: before 4/7/26)

  • Payouts 1-3: 40% maximum per trading day
  • Payouts 4-5: 45% maximum per trading day
  • Payouts 6+: 50% maximum per trading day

S2F

  • Standard: 25% daily consistency applies.
  • Accelerate 50K: 25% lifetime consistency applies.

Prime Simulated Funded

  • 40% lifetime consistency rule.

Premier Plus Simulated Funded

  • Accounts purchased before September 9, 2026: no consistency rule.
  • Accounts purchased from September 9, 2026: 40% consistency rule.
  • Promotional giveaway accounts: 40% consistency rule.

Professional Stage

  • No consistency rule.

Lab Plans

  • Sniper 25K: no consistency rule.
  • Accelerate 25K: 25% consistency requirement.
  • Payday 50K: 40% consistency requirement.
Limited

There is no consistency rule during evaluation or on Express to Live. On Fundamental and Premium CASH accounts, no single day may represent more than 30% of total profit. It is calculated over at least 4 days.

Hold Weekend
No
Limited

Allowed only on Premium. Fundamental and Express to Live must close before the end of the session.

Prohibited Strategies
  • Bots / algorithmic trading
  • Hedging
  • Trading within 2% of CME price limits
  • Straddles / strangles exploiting news volatility
  • Excessive Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA) into losing positions
  • Micro-scalping: over 50% of trades and over 50% of profits must come from positions held longer than 20 seconds
  • Unauthorized group trading / signal services

Robots and fully automated trading; HFT; lottery-style or full-margin trades during high-volatility news; old or illiquid contracts; spreads between expirations; one-tick Treasury-bond arbitrage; exploitation of technical or market errors.

Overnight positions
Yes

Overnight trading is allowed. All positions must be closed by 4:15 PM EST daily (automatic close if not closed manually). Trading resumes at 6:00 PM EST. Weekend trading is not permitted; all positions must be closed before Friday 4:15 PM EST.

Limited

Allowed only on Premium. Fundamental and Express to Live must close before the end of the session.

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